Waitangi organiser Reuben Taipari insists his invitation for Don Brash to speak was not a setup.
The Hobson's Pledge leader spoke at Te Tii marae on Tuesday before Waitangi Day - only to be heckled throughout. It was discovered shortly after that one of the protesters with a megaphone was Mr Taipari's wife, Heeni Hoterene.
Mr Taipari told Magic Talk that she hadn't told him that she was even going to attend Mr Brash's speech, and she has a mind of her own.
"Nobody tells her what to do. Nobody tells her to do setups. She's got her own mana.
"There's no way she listens to me, Sean."
Don Brash told Magic Talk on Thursday that he doesn't think it was a setup, and was impressed that he even had received the invitation.
Listen to the full interview above.