Rihi Te Nana, Māori Development Leader for the counseling and social service agency Relationships Aotearoa tells Ryan Bridge on Magic Talk Drive that the idea the state is doing a good job protecting children is a myth.
Rihi criticised Minister for Children Tracey Martin's earlier comments on the show as "oversimplified". She tells Ryan that is is "bigger than the Māori problem", saying that the state is doing a "poor job of looking after our Tamariki."
Children are being abused by the state, but no one is talking about that.
She tells Ryan that the "state doesn't know what they're doing", and believes that what is best for the children is to be kept within the family.
You can watch the full interview above.