Ryan starts off the interview asking Kamarck is she surprised with the way Trump is behaving.
No, I'm not terribly surprised - because this is my job to write about presidency and government, so we've seen this behaviour from President Trump for three years now.
She continues. "However, there's a large section of America who are very surprised. They're watching a lot of news hoping to learn more about this crisis we're in, and they're seeing this strange president doing things that are completely inappropriate, spreading falsehood, contradicting himself and experts - it's quite a show for America."
Ryan asks how would you describe Trump's behaviour.
Irrational. Bombastic. Defensive.
"Yesterday he opened his press conference blasting the media. Today, he started by blasting the World Health Organisation. He's clearly on the defensive, he has no grace under pressure and all he does is lash out when under attack. This has happened repeatedly under his presidency, but I think a very large number of Americans are feeling it for the first time."
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More about Elaine Kamarck, taken from Ballotpedia:
Elaine Kamarck is an American political scholar. As of August 2019, she was a senior fellow in The Brookings Institution's Governance Studies program, the director of Brookings' Center for Effective Public Management, and a lecturer in public policy at Harvard's Kennedy School of Government. She served in the Clinton administration from 1993 to 1997, where she developed and led the National Performance Review, an effort to review and improve federal government processes. Kamarck "conducts research on 21st-century government, the role of the Internet in political campaigns, homeland defense, intelligence reorganization, and governmental reform and innovation," according to her profile at The Brookings Institution.