Roman Travers spoke with Harold Hillman, life coach about the George Floyd riots and protests in the US, and another incident just a week earlier in Central Park.
Five decades after Martin Luther King was assassinated, Hillman reflects, has there actually been any real progress on the racial front?
He spoke about growing up and attending university, and being followed daily by a police car every time he went for a run.
“When I walk up to people I don’t sense that I’m being defined by my race or my sexual orientation as a gay man,”
Hillman says, on living in New Zealand rather than the US.
Listen to the full interview above.